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To Boob or Not to Boob? What Say You?


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/health/17cancer.html?_r=1&hp
In Reversal, Panel Urges Mammograms at 50, Not 40 - NYTimes.com
By GINA KOLATA
Published: November 16, 2009

Most women should start regular breast cancer screening at age 50, not 40, according to new guidelines released Monday by an influential group that provides guidance to doctors, insurance companies and policy makers.

The new recommendations, which do not apply to a small group of women with unusual risk factors for breast cancer, reverse longstanding guidelines and are aimed at reducing harm from overtreatment, the group says. It also says women age 50 to 74 should have mammograms less frequently — every two years, rather than every year. And it said doctors should stop teaching women to examine their breasts on a regular basis.

Just seven years ago, the same group, the United States Preventive Services Task Force, with different members, recommended that women have mammograms every one to two years starting at age 40. It found too little evidence to take a stand on breast self-examinations.

The task force is an independent panel of experts in prevention and primary care appointed by the federal Department of Health and Human Services.

Its new guidelines, which are different from those of some professional and advocacy organizations, are published online in The Annals of Internal Medicine They are likely to touch off yet another round of controversy over the benefits of screening for breast cancer.

Dr. Diana Petitti, vice chairwoman of the task force and a professor of biomedical informatics at Arizona State University, said the guidelines were based on new data and analyses and were aimed at reducing the potential harm from overscreening.

While many women do not think a screening test can be harmful, medical experts say the risks are real. A test can trigger unnecessary further tests, like biopsies, that can create extreme anxiety. And mammograms can find cancers that grow so slowly that they never would be noticed in a woman’s lifetime, resulting in unnecessary treatment.

Over all, the report says, the modest benefit of mammograms — reducing the breast cancer death rate by 15 percent — must be weighed against the harms. And those harms loom larger for women in their 40s, who are 60 percent more likely to experience them than women 50 and older but are less likely to have breast cancer, skewing the risk-benefit equation. The task force concluded that one cancer death is prevented for every 1,904 women age 40 to 49 who are screened for 10 years, compared with one death for every 1,339 women age 50 to 74, and one death for every 377 women age 60 to 69.

The guidelines are not meant for women at increased risk for breast cancer because they have a gene mutation that makes the cancer more likely or because they had extensive chest radiation. The task force said there was not enough information to know whether those women would be helped by more frequent mammograms or by having the test in their 40s. Other experts said women with close relatives with breast cancer were also at high risk.

Dr. Petitti said she knew the new guidelines would be a shock for many women, but, she said, “we have to say what we see based on the science and the data.”

The National Cancer Institute said Monday that it was re-evaluating its guidelines in light of the task force’s report.

But the American Cancer Society and the American College of Radiology both said they were staying with their guidelines advising annual mammograms starting at age 40.

The cancer society, in a statement by Dr. Otis W. Brawley, its chief medical officer, agreed that mammography had risks as well as benefits but, he said, the society’s experts had looked at “virtually all” the task force and additional data and concluded that the benefits of annual mammograms starting at age 40 outweighed the risks.

Other advocacy groups, like the National Breast Cancer Coalition, Breast Cancer Action, and the National Women’s Health Network, welcomed the new guidelines.

“This is our opportunity to look beyond emotions,” said Fran Visco, president of the National Breast Cancer Coalition. The task force “is an independent body of experts that took an objective look at the data,” Ms. Visco said. “These are the people we should be listening to when it comes to public health messages.”

Some women, though, were not pleased. “I know so many people who had breast cancer and survived, and what saved their lives was early detection,” Janet Doughty, 44, of San Clemente, Calif., said in a telephone interview. She said she had had an annual mammogram since her late 30s and would not stop now.

The guidelines are not expected to have an immediate effect on insurance coverage but should make health plans less likely to aggressively prompt women in their 40s to have mammograms and older women to have the test annually.

Congress requires Medicare to pay for annual mammograms. Medicare can change its rules to pay for less frequent tests if federal officials direct it to.

Private insurers are required by law in every state except Utah to pay for mammograms for women in their 40s.

But the new guidelines are expected to alter the grading system for health plans, which are used as a marketing tool. Grades are issued by the National Committee for Quality Assurance, a private nonprofit organization, and one measure is the percentage of patients getting mammograms every one to two years starting at age 40.

That will change, said Margaret E. O’Kane, the group’s president, who said it would start grading plans on the number of women over 50 getting mammograms every two years.

The message for most women, said Dr. Karla Kerlikowske, a professor in the department of medicine, epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco, is to forgo routine mammograms if they are in their 40s.

Starting at age 50, Dr. Kerlikowske said, “the message is to get 10 mammograms in a lifetime, one every two years.” That way they get the most benefit and the least harm from the test. If women are healthy, she added, they might consider having mammograms every two years until age 74.

Nearly two-thirds of all women in their 40s had mammograms within the last two years, as did 72 percent of women age 50 to 65, according to an editorial by Dr. Kerlikowske that accompanies the report.

In order to formulate its guidelines, the task force used new data from mammography studies in England and Sweden and also commissioned six groups to make statistical models to analyze the aggregate data. The models were the only way to answer questions like how much extra benefit do women get if they are screened every year, said Donald A. Berry, a statistician at the University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center and head of one of the modeling groups.

“We said, essentially with one voice, very little,” Dr. Berry said. “So little as to make the harms of additional screening come screaming to the top.”

The harms are nearly cut in half when women have mammograms every other year instead of every year. But the benefits are almost unchanged.

The last time the task force issued guidelines for mammograms, in 2002, the reportwas announced by Tommy G. Thompson, the secretary of health and human services. When the group recommended mammograms for women in their 40s, some charged the report was politically motivated. But Dr. Alfred Berg of the University of Washington, who was the task force chairman at the time, said “there was absolutely zero political influence on what the task force did.”

It was still a tough call to make, Dr. Berg said, adding that “we pointed out that the benefit will be quite small.” In fact, he added, even though mammograms are of greater benefit to older women, they still prevent only a small fraction of breast cancer deaths.

Different women will weigh the harms and benefits differently, Dr. Berg noted, but added that even for women 50 and older, “it would be perfectly rational for a woman to decide she didn’t want to do it.”

Researchers worry the new report will be interpreted as a political effort by the Obama administration to save money on health care costs.

Of course, Dr. Berry noted, if the new guidelines are followed, billions of dollars will be saved.

“But the money was buying something of net negative value,” he said. “This decision is a no-brainer. The economy benefits, but women are the major beneficiaries.”

Roni Caryn Rabin contributed reporting.

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(There are many links that you may want to read too, within the Times link at the top).

Thank You Cab, for the heads up!
http://cab65.multiply.com/journal/item/385

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30 comments:

  1. Oops.
    Photo from Google "Lost in translation"

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  2. It seems extremely bizarre to say that women shouldnt be taught to self exam to say the least.

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  3. Do you get the feeling that our new change government is trying to tell us since they are in office and cutting our insurance options and don't want to pay they will just tell us it's no longer necessary.
    I don't think all the 40 year old gals who showed Pos would agree...........
    How stupid do they think we are......

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  4. No screening for a woman over 75 either.. Im sure the reasoning is that its too expensive and they are gonna die soon anyway.


    No death panels.. lets just hide it in the wording...

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  5. I know these are just "recommendations, so that rules out the under 50 (who will still get theirs, and the over 75 too who will still get theirs)...

    But... I just haven't figured this one out yet.

    It's just weird. (Or maybe it's just because we have been used to the other guidelines for so long).
    I do not, and have never advocated the every year thing- But for some there is the hereditary factor and all. Guess those wouldn't be in these "guidelines", as they assume this is for a healthy individual to begin with.
    It's not law, or any part thereof, but still weird.

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  6. I have checked all stats, but it couldn't be that 75 are not likely to present with breast cancer????

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  7. Did you check chemo stats Sweets?
    Not sure if a 75 yr old that has breast cancer would survive radiation, surgery and then the chemotherapy too.
    Your heart has to be so healthy to begin with because chemo destoys heart tissue. This would be exacerbated in an already older heart.
    methinks.

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  8. That might be entirely possible!
    I have an aunt in her mid 90's- Many of her sisters have died of cancer- Yet she herself has never had a problem.
    She did however have 10 kids! (They are all alive too)!

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  9. wow... some people are really paranoid!! the suggestion has nothing to do with any political party or the new health care bill.
    First, the suggestion that women not be taught to self examine is simply that too many never get it right and probably would not find a lump unless it was so big it could be found by anyone...and others will panic over any little bump and cause themselves undo stress (which actually could do more physical damage.
    It is about time someone stood up and talked about the dangers of overuse of mammograms. If they were so safe, techs would not have to stand behind a wall when taking them. While one mammogram a year may not put that many xrays into the body...combine it with all the other times we are exposed to dangerous rays in a year and it could be the straw that breaks the camels back.
    Also, if you have a benign cyst, for example, the squeezing and pressing trauma could possibly result in cancer setting in because of the weakened (stressed) tissue
    The standard for non high risk women in canada is to start at 45 or 50 and get tested once every 2 to 5 years and seniors over around 75 are often not put through the stress unless there are indicators of a problem.

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  10. My mother is 76...she no longer wants to be bothered with such stuff anymore. I can understand that. Speaking from experience (smiles), I notice more changes in my body since turning 50 than ever before. Women really need to take care of themselves and do all they can to prevent problem. I doubt the govt will change things because doctors will not allow it. Hopefully....

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  11. Have been up for 22 hours. Will reply to all tomorrow.

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  12. It just said that "doctors" should stop teaching women the "how to's" of it.
    It doesn't tell us what we, as mothers, should do/not do when teaching our daughters. (And sons too).

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  13. The cost of a mammogram these days is small- So those that want to have one, will.
    Those that "need" a mammogram will have one and it will be covered.
    Again, it is only a guideline.
    I think that this will also prompt that MORE women & their daughters be tested genetically so they know what may be in store for them. That would be major for all families to benefit from; and even especially those who do not know their lineage.

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  14. If they "need" one they will still get one.
    But by the time you and I reach 75 we will already know if there is a greater/lesser chance of getting cancer. We will have had the genetic testing done and again knowledge is a good thing.

    It's not a death panel. It is not law.

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  15. I have had lumpy boobs my entire life- But learned there is a definite difference between a fibrous breast and a truly 'lumpy' one too.
    By the time a lump is found by manual search it has already been there for 2 years.
    Now some cancers are the agressive kind, so that statement will not hold true for all. Generally those are the ones that may have come from somewhere else in the body too. This would not be a true breast cancer, but a met from another point of origin. That said, you would have other problems that would present. ie: a nasty pap smear, breathing difficulties, blood anomalies, etc etc etc.

    you are right in your assertion of the dangers of radiation. My daughter just went through an ordeal with respect to that...
    http://flintville.multiply.com/journal/item/894

    There is so much paranoia and fear already with respect to the Health Care stuff-
    Now add the fear of cancer into that equation; and I guarantee you that people will absolutely not see the words "guideline" or "recommendation".

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  16. And you must go along with whatever your mother wants. It is sometimes very hard to do that- But my own mother wanted to have nothing to do with the mammogram either after about 70 or so. (She did not die from cancer either).

    I too am over 50, and there have been many changes since. You hit the nail on the head there.
    But we also need to know that these changes are normal. Our mothers and all of our predecessors have gone through this all.
    And without the damned 'hormone replacement therapy' either.
    I had a complete hysterectomy in 2000. (My last remaining ovary was removed too). "Maybe" I have had a few flashes (or maybe it was just a normal occurrence). But no HRT for me either. No way. No how.
    And I lived through it!

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  17. Must get dreessed. Caseys appointment is at 8:30.

    Love to all.
    Now go check your boobies anyway if it makes you feel better. (Done correctly, it should)! hehehe

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  18. And if doctors arent showing women "how to" and what to look for.. just exactly how are mothers supposed to know?

    Im so sorry this issue has just made me so angry... because the actual cases found on the 40-50 age range are so low that it is not cost efficient to continue with this and teaching women how to do a self test only causes stress.. it shouldnt be taught..

    This is just one of the new ways ... I guess I should just shut up and let the government continue to take away more and more while I pay more and more.

    Narrowing my eyes. ... i find it amazing how many do not see for the trees.

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  19. IMO, as far the age of 75...like anchorshore says, most women don't wanna mess with it anymore, can you blame them by that point. By that age, many people who come down with cancer are willing to realize they have had their best years of their lives. They don't want to suffer through the surgeries , radiation, and chemo therapies. Quite frankly, I don't blame them. Our bodies weren't meant to go on forever. It's not suicidal either. Why is hard for people to realize that God could be calling them home, and they just might want to join him?

    As far as self exam, there is very lil chance you would detect early stages of breast cancer.

    Besides, best I can tell this all "suggestion", and I believe doctors can make informed decisions on what to do, based on true risks (hereditary, etc). These "suggestions" are meant for people that aren't at high of risk of breast cancer.

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  20. The issue I have with "suggestion" is that insurance companies take it to heart and then there will be women who will die because they couldnt afford to pay out of pocket to have a mammogram.. when they dont know they are in the "high" risk ..


    Women in this country have worked so hard to get the message out about Breast cancer and now some smuck in Washington has decided that really its not necessary and it just causes stress on the younger woman.

    Frankly I would rather my daughter, my mother, myself or my best friend be stressed for a little while until they know for sure than die because they werent checked early enough.

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  21. What Say You? I think most women listen to their doctor's advice, and from what I've heard on the news most doctors are plenty pissed off about this, that and pretty soon insurance providers probably won't cover mammograms as a routine exam for women under 50 anymore. We've come so far in breast cancer research and awareness, this seems like a giant step backward.

    AND WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND is why they are saying women shouldn't do breast self exams! That's how most lumps are first detected. This just doesn't make any sense at all.

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  22. Sweetie;
    It concerns me too- Especially given the fact that I have 4 daughters, (and 2 boobs) of my own.
    But it is not a trial balloon for the masses. (No pun intended).
    I am wondering how many insurance people are on the panel though.

    About BSE? Mothers already know. And much like Heritage that gets passed from generation to generation, so will this.
    More importantly, DOCTORS already know.
    They will also know a way around this garbage. They always do. (At least MINE always does- not sure how many other bright doctors there are out there).

    Again, it is NOT cost efficient to NOT do mammograms! The treatment for breast cancer ie: chemo and rads, is very costly. One 6 oz bag of chemo (forget which kind) costs over 3 Grand! Now 'treat' the patient with 3 or 4 different kinds every week and you see that cost cannot be the factor here.

    Mammograms are the cheapest way to go to prevent this all. Everybody knows this.

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  23. Great question! (You are good)!!
    Years ago, people knew their mortality and their God and were not afraid to die. And if they were, they knew why. hehehe

    Now days, we have so many medical treatments and such to postpone our deaths.
    Am I ready to "go"? I believe I am (should God choose to want an obnoxious lady up there with Him).
    Would I prefer not to? Not sure about that either. But I do know my ducks are in a row with respect to everything.

    I know too that not too many people have truly faced their death. Because I did when I had Roberta I have not been ever 'afraid' to die after that.

    I am here for as long as He dictates, not a panel of experts, not anyone else. (Not even me)!
    ;-)

    I am prepared in any way that is important. Money is not the issue. Nor are things. it is what is inside that counts in the end, and nothing else.
    (My opinion only).

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    Now on to the rest of your response...

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  24. Too many people have missed the opening sentence of the 2nd paragraph above: "The new recommendations, which do not apply to a small group of women with unusual risk factors for breast cancer, reverse longstanding guidelines and are aimed at reducing harm from overtreatment."
    (Key words "which do NOT apply"...)

    Are the rest of us then opening the looking glass process? I don't think so... But I do know the 2 mammograms I had in my 40's were a waste of money- Mine and my insurance companys. But it is a "fortunate" statement coming from myself. I do know that so hopefully no one will jump on me for it.
    What will happen in December for me? I do not know. Maybe I shall be eating my words. Maybe not.

    I agree wholeheartedly about the BSE's. (See my previous comments). It (cancer) has been there a LONG time if you are finding it by manipulation.

    Oh and while we all know what you meant, you may want to hit edit and take care of this one: "Our bodies were meant to go on forever." hehehe
    You are right- Only our spirits do.

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  25. This goes right back to the greater need for genetic testing.
    If you "know" by the time you are 20, there will be no "not" knowing.
    Having been fortunate enough to live in Wisconsin, and proudly to have followed many world medical advancements that have come straight through our Madison campus, I do know the need for genetic profiling.

    Please go here and scroll down to "Methods". It better explains much that I cannot.
    http://www.annals.org/content/151/10/738.full

    OMG! Check out the "Primary Funding Source" too. OMG OMG OMG!
    Go figure.

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  26. Hells bells, read the whole thing AND click on the links too...

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  27. Careful...
    Stress itself causes cancer.
    Anxiety causes death.

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  28. This is what I was trying to say in a previous comment about doctors KNOWING how to get around any of these 'recommendations".
    Doctors should not be pissed. They SHOULD be rethinking their own protocols for breast cancer. (And mark my words tonight, next it will be prostate cancer, and many others).

    Not sure if it is a step backwards or not. But it sure is an educational tool. And in this day and age, there is NO reason that even kids cannot be more medically advanced (and informed) than their own parents.

    The article did not say for women not to do BSE's. It said "doctors should stop teaching women to examine their breasts on a regular basis."

    It went on to say this: "Just seven years ago, the same group, the United States Preventive Services Task Force, with different members, recommended that women have mammograms every one to two years starting at age 40. It found too little evidence to take a stand on breast self-examinations."

    Again the need to know... Genetic testing.

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  29. It is not a step backwards...it is a step forward in the thought process around unnecessary and often risky testing for low risk women. As I said before, those recommendations were accepted in canuckland years ago and most doctors agree (of course up here doctors do not get richer by ordering more and more tests)
    The word cancer is a terrifying word. Anyone who has been subjected to tests upon tests, biopsies etc only to find there was nothing there to begin with understands how it turns your world upside down for a period of time...and those who actually get one form or another can attest even more to the stress levels. But, in reality, cancer has become the rallying cry for one of the biggest money making organizations in the world. Do you remember way back when there was just the cancer society?? ...they organized and raised funds for all cancer research...one group of corporate executives to make a lot of money. Soon, people caught on to what a wonderful opportunity this was and eventually we got to where we are now... each different form of cancer has its own fund raising organization complete with its own highly paid corporate structure....leaving less money for serious research...and each one competing against the other for the biggest share of the pie.
    I mention this because those same factions are at work in the medical field too and nobody wants to see their piece of the pie shrunk. If unnecessary testing is cut back, fewer dollars flow to those involved...

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