[My] Life in Wisconsin

Escaping To England For Affordable Health


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From National Public Radio.

This story was produced through collaboration between NPR and Kaiser Health News (KHN), an editorially independent program of the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan health-care policy research organization.

(iStockphoto from link) Caption reads: 'The high cost of health care in the United States drove Erica Rex to move to England following her breast cancer diagnosis.'

STORY...

I moved to England in September at the age of 53, three days after my student health coverage at Columbia University ran out. Diagnosed with breast cancer last April, I knew I would not be able to buy a plan on the open market, even if I could have afforded it.

I had been struggling to find a full-time job in New York since 2003, following the breakup of my first marriage. It had been grim. Between the economy and the state of my profession – I'd been working as a journalist for many years – I hadn't been able to land full-time work. After yet another promising job melted into "we've had our requisition pulled so now we can't hire you," it occurred to me that a journalism degree might help. So in the fall of 2008, I returned to school for a mid-career masters degree at Columbia Journalism School.

Six weeks from finishing school, already deeply in debt from years of underemployment and student loans, I learned I had breast cancer—a rather large tumor of 1.6 centimeters that had luckily, not spread. A lumpectomy followed, then two months of radiation therapy.

At the time I was diagnosed, I had been seeing my English partner for less than a year. We had decided we would marry at some point; yet I had hesitated to set a date. I was career-obsessed. The cancer forced my hand. Our only choice – if I intended to continue treatment without going into even more debt – was for me to move to England, and for us to marry as quickly as possible so I could get on the National Health Service.

Lindenhall Surgery ("surgery" is the English term for a general practice, every NHS patient's first port of call) occupies a rambling house on a quiet, leafy street in Newport, Shropshire, where my husband works, a town about 90 miles northwest of London. I met Dr. Christopher Lisk, the principal general practitioner, after arriving in September and then returned later for his first examination of me. That exam was needed to get a in referral to a breast cancer center for a follow-up appointment with a specialist.

His waiting room windows overlooked a garden. Pamphlets lay on every available surface, offering guidance on topics from child safety to confidential chlamydia testing.

Then there were poetry pamphlets. I picked one up.

"To wake the soul by tender strokes of art,

To raise the genius and to mend the heart..."

- Alexander Pope

Poetry in the Waiting Room (PitWR) was the brainchild of a poet who discovered many of his friends were spending lots of time in NHS waiting rooms. It's funded by the British Arts Council and the NHS and aims, according to a brochure, "to comfort those waiting to see the doctor through poetry." An informational footnote declared that the pamphlets were described "in a House of Lords debate as the most widely read national poetry publication."

I tried to picture Orrin Hatch, Richard Lugar and Robert Byrd debating poetry on the floor of the Senate. I drew a blank.

Dr. Lisk called me to his consulting room over an intercom. He's a tall, sixtyish man with thinning blond hair, clad in a smart three-piece navy pinstripe suit. Scores of millefiori paperweights decorated his desk. A folding wood partition separated the examining space from his consulting office. Dr. Lisk's practice has a full-time staff of six general practitioners, a clutch of nurse practitioners and a harried office staff who cater to the medical needs of a substantial catchment area in Shropshire.

What I really notice about the health care providers in England is that they seem to have more than half a second for me – and they actually listen.

Dr. Lisk asked me how I'm doing on Tamoxifen, a breast cancer drug he prescribed in September. I explained to him that I was worried about my six-month mammogram, which I had not yet undergone. The chances that I'll make it to 12 months or two years improve if I haven't suffered a recurrence by six months. Breast cancer is a numbers game.

"First things first," said Dr. Lisk. "Take off everything but your panties and have a seat on the bed." I undressed behind the partition. There were no gowns. I sat on the examining table in my underpants, hugging my arms over my chest. The room was freezing.

He came in, washed his hands, and reached for a sphygmomanometer, to take my blood pressure. It was like those I remember from childhood: a rubber bulb squeezed to inflate the cuff, a vertical column of mercury encased in glass. He held the cold disk against my skin, and listened as the air hisses out of the valve.

Then he palpated my breasts, then my armpits. "How many lymph nodes did they remove?"

"Six," I replied. He listened to my chest. Then, vertebra by vertebra, he examined my back.

As his fingers probed, he was looking into space, his head cocked to one side, as though he was listening for some furtive whispered message. He was like a talented pianist, meticulously pressing the piano keys, discovering nuances of the music even as he plays. He probed more – my neck, then my groin, searching for the elusive lymph node that would divulge a tale of metastasis.

"Aches? Pains? Other complaints?"

Besides weight gain, night sweats and attacks of gas which he apologetically attributed to the Tamoxifen, I couldn't think of any.

"Get dressed then," he said, "and come sit down."

Putting on my clothes, I concluded it's impossible to characterize the difference between health care in Britain and the United States in a few sentences.

Every feature of U.S. health care, from insurance company to doctor's office to drug company, exists as a separate for-profit enterprise. Here, health care is part of the social fabric. Prevention isn't just a matter of common sense, it's public policy. Cigarette packages have the words "Smoking Kills" emblazoned on them in huge black letters. Tobacco is taxed at a figure approaching 100 percent.

Erica Rex

Erica Rex is a journalist currently living in the United Kingdom.

For me, though, what's critical is knowing that if I have to have more surgery, I won't find out, after the fact, that I owe hospital copayment charges of $4,000 — and this, after my surgeon forgives $6,000 of his $12,000 fee. (It turned out he wasn't in my insurer's preferred provider network.) My prescription drugs, now that I'm on the NHS, are free.

Shortly before I left New York, I had drinks with a South African friend. He asked me how I felt about the move.

"I wonder whether I'll ever get past the feeling that the bottom could fall out any minute, even once I'm on the National Health Service," I said.

We agreed survival anxiety probably accounts for a lot in the American character. Our edginess, perhaps. Unless, of course, you're Bill Gates. In the U.S., money really is everything.

Sometimes my husband Roger gripes about what he calls the British "nanny state." So much is done for the English, he maintains, they can't think for themselves anymore. Showers, for instance, are statutorily equipped with automatic shut-off valves on the thermostats. In case the water gets too hot. I remind him that the opposite of the nanny state is me in the U.S. with breast cancer and no steady job and insurance.

I had some wonderful doctors in New York, caring and helpful. But I also had to fight with my hospital there to get the tests I needed, and several of the specialists were so difficult to deal with I chose medical protocols to avoid them—no matter what the best option for treatment was. What I really notice about the health care providers in England is that they seem to have more than half a second for me – and they actually listen.

At his desk, Dr. Lisk scribbled notes on a pad. He said that he was referring me to a breast center at Rowley Hall Hospital in Stafford. The building, he told me with some amusement, used to house a reformatory for wayward girls, until the NHS bought it.

"They'll send you a letter with an appointment," he explained.

"When?" I asked.

"Within a fortnight, I should think. Ring me if you haven't heard from them by the end of next week."

I stood to go. I thanked him. He walked over from behind the desk and clasped my right hand in both of his.

"Try not to worry. They'll take good care of you at the breast center. It's a very good one." His face had the same slightly abstracted look it did while he examined me.

Then he changed tense; he changed pronouns. "I'll see to it myself you're taken care of. I personally will take responsibility for your care."

*****

It's still a damn shame that in this day and age, America the beautiful still ignores her sick and dying people.
Perhaps you mistakenly believe that everyone can just up and move to another country?
When will it matter to you?
Or will it take having to watch a loved one die a horrible, painful, and completely AVOIDABLE, death?

XOXO
Me


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35 comments:

  1. Your right Annie and not everyone can up and move .. I can imagine this had to be a hard thing for this lady to do also , after living all her life in America .. I wish her all the best and I hope she will be a survivor of breast cancer ..

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  2. See, being from the UK I see this from a slightly different point of view, one that I'm sure many people wont agree with but anyway, our health service isn't free far from it we..every single working person that earns over £120 ($191.85) a week pays National Insurance and it is this money along with a hefty portion from our taxes that pays for our NHS. Please don't get me wrong,there is no one that I begrudge using the health service but... one of the reasons that our health service is now struggling is because of what we call medical tourism, why should people and I don't mean just genuine visitors but immigrants as well that have never paid into the system benefit from it being "free". If I were to fall ill in any other country even if that was another EU country I would still have to pay for medical treatment unless I had taken out the necessary medical insurance prior to leaving the UK. As I said I begrudge no-one the chance to be treated here I do however begrudge paying for them.
    As I said I'm fairly sure many people wont agree with me, ah well"shrugs"

    Anyway I'm glad to see that Casey is doing well and is off exploring, and hope your panic attacks are leaving you alone.

    Hugs
    Sophie

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  3. As far as people up and moving, is that not the same thing that many, (as Americans) piss and moan about when Mexicans cross the border to have their babies here?!

    Makes you wonder what some people are thinking... [sigh].
    Oh. They simply are not thinking at all, and then they try to talk out of both sides of their mouths.

    As far as surviving breast cancer, I would be willing to bet that this lady- (her determination and her attitude), WILL beat it. Especially given those last two lines that her English physician said to her.
    I have 2 sisters that are also breast cancer survivors.
    I also have a very close friend who is battling it now...

    My own GP is very good to me, often calling to make sure all is well.
    But admittedly, doctors like this are too very few and far between.

    XOXO
    Anne


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  4. We were typing at the same time- and our thoughts have been almost the same.

    I posted a blog/link about medical tourism a while back- it was about the MT to Asia, and not to the UK. But the principle of the matter is much the same.

    And I liken it to a cheating spouse. If someone is not getting what they need at home, they will go elsewhere.

    It's not free of course. Not even here would it be... But it is reasonable to see why this option presents itself to people. Especially those with a life threatening disease.
    We just don't realize (here) how many people really are dying to even be treated.

    Would I pay out of pocket to help myself, my kids, or anyone have medical treatment?
    You bet I would!

    The epople that oppose this all are people that do not care about others, no matter what they 'say' they do.

    Actions always speak louder than words.

    XOXO
    Me

    PS
    Casey is now on a full diet! (Say YAY)! She is still wandering about, and menacing people; (and I am doing quite fine too)!

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  5. Heading back up to the hospital now.
    It has already started to snow... (Must deice the Rendezvous). hehehe

    XOXO
    Me

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  6. I have a friend who had to go there and left her children behind to stay alive. Have you checked out Canada?

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  7. That is so hard to read, and I applaud your friend, and am sorry she is going through that all.
    Damnable bureaucrats...

    XOXO
    Me

    Oh and I have a few friends on here that will gladly tell you about Canada!
    Though you may have to wait for it...

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    XOXOMe


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  9. WOw, that was quick considering her BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD DAY

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  10. I am Canadian and I was engaged to an Irishman who gave up his life in Ireland to move here and be with me .. He had to pay for everything , even a check-up because he was not a citizen .. He had applied for his Canadian citizenship but it was something that was not going to happen overnight .. He took ill and died .. He spent 3 days in the hospital , docs doing everything to save his life .. You cannot even imagine the cost of his medical bills , thousands and thousands of dollars ..

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  11. America is slowly starting to lose a large segment of it's population. Whichever you want to call it - lower middle income, upper low income, it's all the same. It's a large percentage of citizens who earn a little too much to qualify for Medicaid, but who don't earn enough to ever hope to be able to pay for private health insurance. It's sad.

    I'm currently being told that I need to see a specialist and have diagnostic work done that will cost more than $2K, (which on my income will be impossible) and that will only get me to the point of knowing what sort of treatment I'll need from there - more $$.

    As someone who was born and raised here, and has been a citizen of this country for more than a half century I'm basically being told that I'm disposable.

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  12. America has slow-kill policies. It is darwinism. We need poor people to keep labor costs down, and people in the lower middle are expendable because they are not serving the upper powers. We have the 18 month wait on medical care for the disabled -- not even China does that, then the yearly medigap where our prescriptions start costing us full pay, which medication is a 90% profit for the industry, 10% they put back into lobbying. Where's the oil when you need it, you know?

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  13. hehehe
    What can I say? Casey is just one of those people.
    Ya can't keep her down for long! Even after a "baaaaad" day!

    XOXO
    Me

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  14. Unbelievable .. It really tragic that your healthcare has to cost so much ..SO you need to find out what is going on with you and just to find out is going to cost all that money and that has nothing to do with the actual treatment?? I am so glad out healthcare is not like that .. I wish you all the best and something definitely has to change for the people who cannot afford those types of cost ..

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  15. Sweet Carolyn;
    Belatedly I am sorry for your loss.
    I am sorry that he felt he had to wait to go in- Wouldn't they have helped him if he had done to the ER earlier?
    So so sorry.

    As far as the medical bills...
    Nothing you answer would surprise me.

    The day my dad died (aortic aneurysm) , he was in surgery for 8 hours to replace the part of the aorta that had blown up.
    He died that evening without ever having regained kidney function, or consciousness.

    The hospital bill, (IN ADDITION TO the Dr.'s bill) for the surgery? Over $30,000.

    Did I mention that my Dad died in 1984. ?!?

    XOXO
    Me

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  16. Sweet Leigh;
    Hmmm
    Are you using "Darwinism" as "survival of the fittest" then?
    Or maybe the awards for st00pid people? (Guess it's the same in a way)... Sad, that.

    An 18 month waiting period for health care if you are disabled?
    I waited 2 years!

    90% profit?
    Think over 40,000% on some pills. And that's only the retail markup. (Imagine how little these drugs of ours REALLY cost)?!?
    And no wonder they are producing some of the most marked up ones in India now!

    Not sure what you mean about the oil, but know I can/will debate that also should it come to light.

    XOXO
    Me

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  17. It is unbelievably ARROGANT Sweetie. Nothing more and nothing less.

    For years I had no health insurance myself. (I lived in fear of a broken bone for Gods sake). So I know what RT is going through to an extent. The worst that ever happened to me was splitting my toe open one night. It was gross and required 4 stitches to keep it from bleeding so darned much

    But I knew I would need a hysterectomy... Was told that many years before.
    As my own problems worsened, I opted to buy my own insurance.
    It was over $500./month, (and I had 4 daughters to support too). Thankfully I not only had a decent managerial job, I also had good people that were my bosses when I did finally get my surgery done in 2000.
    I took that policy out in 1998. And then had to refrain from going in to the OB/GYN for over a year- otherwise it would have been a preexisting condition and they would have paid nothing for my benefits.
    Thankfully my doctor was aware of what I was doing- I could call her and she would call something in, keeping it out of my chart.

    I still had to pay over $5,000... I wrote that check out and mailed it in the next month. (I don't even want to know what the total bills were).

    Oh and I went home that same night, even though my insurance told me I could have stayed in the hospital for 6 or 7 days...
    That was my choice. I was basically pain free when I came out of surgery. (Just so you know how much pain I was in beforehand).

    You are very fortunate that your health-care is actually of a RELIABLE sort, and that you don't have to play games to get around policies etc

    Thank you so much for responding about my friend RT! You are very kind- and compassionate too.
    We need more people like you!

    XOXO
    Me

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  18. It is unbelievably ARROGANT Sweetie. Nothing more and nothing less.

    For years I had no health insurance myself. (I lived in fear of a broken bone for Gods sake). So I know what RT is going through to an extent. The worst that ever happened to me was splitting my toe open one night. It was gross and required 4 stitches to keep it from bleeding so darned much

    But I knew I would need a hysterectomy... Was told that many years before.
    As my own problems worsened, I opted to buy my own insurance.
    It was over $500./month, (and I had 4 daughters to support too). Thankfully I not only had a decent managerial job, I also had good people that were my bosses when I did finally get my surgery done in 2000.
    I took that policy out in 1998. And then had to refrain from going in to the OB/GYN for over a year- otherwise it would have been a preexisting condition and they would have paid nothing for my benefits.
    Thankfully my doctor was aware of what I was doing- I could call her and she would call something in, keeping it out of my chart.

    I still had to pay over $5,000... I wrote that check out and mailed it in the next month. (I don't even want to know what the total bills were).

    Oh and I went home that same night, even though my insurance told me I could have stayed in the hospital for 6 or 7 days...
    That was my choice. I was basically pain free when I came out of surgery. (Just so you know how much pain I was in beforehand).

    You are very fortunate that your health-care is actually of a RELIABLE sort, and that you don't have to play games to get around policies etc

    Thank you so much for responding about my friend RT! You are very kind- and compassionate too.
    We need more people like you!

    XOXO
    Me

    ***
    Had to try this again...
    (My computer decided to go offline in the process of typing this and then included MY blog instead of highlighting your comment)...

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  19. Free clinics don't do nuclear uptake scans. They're only done at hospitals and run in the neighborhood of $1500 - $2000.

    Extreme Hyperthyroidism (which is what I have) is something that must be treated by an Endocrinologist. Endocrinologists I've checked with will charge a $600 fee to set me up as a new patient. They tell me some of the $600 goes toward lab work, which I've already had done, but unfortunately all the Endocrinologists I've checked with want to do their own lab work. (Why didn't I find this out before my GYN ran, and I paid for, all those tests - sigh.)

    Lets face it, doctors don't want patients who don't have insurance - they can't afford diagnostics, or treatments, and are in general nuisances because they force the doctor to think about the financial aspects of treating a patient. No fun for them.

    Now that I've seen doctors for this it's a pre-existing condition, so insurance coverage will consume 3/4th of my monthly paycheck, if I can get coverage at all.

    It's a no win situation.

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  20. In this case - only the financially fittest survive.

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  21. That is their point. In this state there are a hand full of people who are making most of the decisions. It is so scary if you think about it, from energy to defendants. Groupthink in the worst of ways. I lived through the Wallace era in Alabama, same way. Anne is right about the stupidest, but they don't know they are stupid. They are just drunk on power, but they think they are so intelligent. It is so sad.

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  22. Don't mind debating. You are making my points well.

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  23. I just hate it when my page freezes and the comment refuses to come out :(

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  24. Sad.
    True.
    http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=12&year=2008&base_name=notes_from_a_panel

    "
    Thus, amenable mortality data:

    "We compared trends in deaths considered amenable to health care before age seventy-five between 1997–98 and 2002–03 in the United States and in eighteen other industrialized countries. Such deaths account, on average, for 23 percent of total mortality under age seventy-five among males and 32 percent among females. The decline in amenable mortality in all countries averaged 16 percent over this period. The United States was an outlier, with a decline of only 4 percent. If the United States could reduce amenable mortality to the average rate achieved in the three top-per forming countries, there would have been 101,000 fewer deaths per year by the end of the study period."

    But then some say, okay, our health care may not be good, but at least it's quite pleasant.

    Waiting times: Here's how the dodge works: If you look at waiting times, you'll see that relatively few Americans wait more than four months for surgery, which helps folks claim that America doesn't ration care, and makes our system look pretty good on the waiting times metric. Here's what they don't tell you: When you look at who foregoes care, the international comparisons reverse themselves. About 23% of Americans report that they didn't receive care, or get a test due to cost. In Canada, that number is 5.5%.

    Worse, the American number is understated, as in order to know you need a surgery or further care, you need to go for an initial appointment, and as it happens, many Americans -- including 36 percent below average income -- aren't even seeking that. And it's this group -- which is largely low-income, and I'd guess, largely urban -- who would, in another country, be experiencing terrific wait times. Here, they never get care at all. We call that "no wait" rather than infinite wait. The studies misleadingly write them out of the waiting statistics, making it look like America has low wait times when the relevant population is simply never getting care at all. But would you rather be the urban poor in London, who wait a year for a hip replacement, or the urban poor in America, who never get one?

    So it's not good and it's not pleasant. Maybe it's cheap?

    Canada: $3678
    France: $3449
    Germany: $3371
    UK: $2760
    USA: $6714

    The difference between UK and America could buy every America 5.3 ounces of pure gold per year.
    end quote.

    The article I took that from was written in 2008!!!!
    Go figure.
    Like I said. Sad. True.

    XOXO
    Me

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  26. Also being from the UK I agree with you hands down!!

    What some people also dont see, is how people who genuinely live here and pay their NI and tax, are still under threat of being treated in a postcode lottery. So it can depend on where you live as to how soon you actually get any treatment.

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  27. Sorry Anna for confusing !!!

    Postcode here is the same as your zip code -In the UK how well you get treatment or not can depend on your postcode and what money is available in your area for a treatment you need.... hence the postcode lottery. You usually only get treated in your area, (so I would only be treated in my town of Preston even though Chorley hospital is only 10 miles away and offers a better service, I cant opt to go there), unless its a specialist requirement and specialist it would have to be!!
    Most really good employers here will have a healthcare package with your job, but you will pay extra tax in your wage on this.
    Alot of people here, will pay for private healthcare themselves, but you still have to pay your national insurance as well!

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  28. Thank you so much for clarifying this for me. (Sometimes I need things explained on an 8 year old level).

    Are your hospitals all specialized? (ie one for cancer, one for ortho etc)?

    And if one pays for the private insurance, is the nat'l healthcare then secondary insurance?
    Sorry- Again you have to forgive my ignorance...

    Still and all, I would bet that most would choose to be a bit more local, (with the exception of needing specialists), than to be without ANY coverage, or possibility of never even getting coverage/medical help.

    I know too many here, that do not even have hope anymore in this "oh so great" nation of ours.
    And Washington takes their time, while these people are dying.
    How shameful of them all!


    Again, I thank you!

    XOXO
    Anne

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  29. Still thinking it has to be better than nothing.



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  30. Its definately better than nothing - but it isnt free!!

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  31. No problem at all, we all have different stuff that works different too!

    No all hospitals arent specialised, There are 2 big childrens hospitals one in manchester and one in London, both of these are specialised for most childrens worst ills.
    We have a very large specialist Hospital in London for adults.
    Other smaller specialist hospitals are dotted around the country, depending on your needs.
    Most local hospitals are for everything, My local hospital, does everything from births to cancer, but isnt a specialist in any one thing, and if you need that specialist care you would have to wait your turn at the nearest one.

    If you pay for private insurance here, you wouldnt need a secondary! Most private hospitals here are so expensive you dont hear yourself walk, the carpets are so thick!!

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  32. Ours would not be 'free' either- save to the poorest of the poor.
    It would come out of our paychecks as an increase to our medicare savings programs.

    In the meanwhile 'some' people are opposing this, and many are dying that cannot afford the necessary medical tests, diagnostics, medications and surgeries that may keep them alive.

    I can neither wrap my mind, nor my heart, around this abject opposition.

    XOXO
    Me

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  33. I thank you again for your patience and explanations here Sweet Carolie!

    On a thought about your private hospitals...
    "Oh my" (about the carpeting)!
    That is SO medically nonfeasible to even have carpeting- (It harbors bacteria and viruses).
    Do they even know this???

    XOXO
    Me

    PS
    One more silly question for you...
    Can one bring their pets to visit in either hospital?

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  34. I have to say I've never been in a hospital that has carpets in the wards themseleves, just in the public access areas, and pets can go into hospitals but it has to be by prior arrangement, and not all hospitals will allow you to do so. a;though a private one is marginally more likely to allow it.

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  35. So the answer for some might be to move before one is sick so that they contribute to the system before they need to use it?

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