[My] Life in Wisconsin

Divorce Question-

Good Morning All;
I have a little question for you.
An acquaintance of mine went through a divorce almost 4 years ago.
They had been married 33 years. "The only man I'll ever love" etc etc etc...
Then... she goes on and on and on about how raunchy he is, and all of his idiosyncrasies that she HATES!

Of course she blames HIM for everything wrong in her life; when all that IS really wrong, is her own way of thinking, (& literally feeling so pitiful).
She already has gone through 3 therapists, I would imagine because she won't work with them.

it is very hard to see anyone self destruct, and I don't know what more to say to her.

A few words? 
personally, I think it is high time that perhaps a little tough love might do the trick.
Maybe?
Maybe not?

And though I HATE to say it, she, (along with many others like her), give divorced women everywhere a bad name.
-ya know?

XOXO
Me


45 comments:

  1. You just might be right about tough love. If she won't listen/work with a therapist, it's probably because she can't fine one that agrees with her. It is hard to watch someone self-destruct, I know this from personal experience, going through it right now.

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  2. On the other hand it sounds like she's dealing with powerful mental and emotional conflicts. I'm not so sure that tough love would do anything but alienate her from you. (I say that without knowing the intracacies of your bondings with her.) In the case of mental conflicts, a combination of psychology perhaps in conjunction with come medication(s) (to be determined after a thorough evaluation) has been know to be effective in the reintegration of personality resolving inner conflicts. You assume that she isn't working with her therapists, and that sounds about right. But it may simply be a matter of finding the right one. It's going to be either that or simply the passage of time, and a lot of it. She's blaming both herself and her ex. Again, I see little hope for a relatively rapid improvement in her condition without at least letting a few more psychologists (or perhaps a psychiatrist or two) have a shot at her. (Also, she seems to be projecting her own negative self-assessments on her ex., and that bring in the element of guilt and self-blame. Sounds like a real mess but I don't think she'll be able to be cured until the time is ripe and even then only with the help of the right therapist.. Just my opinion.

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  3. I once read it takes seven years to get over a divorce. Having been through three I can't imagine the adjustment she is having to make after being married 33 years. I was married 5yr, 9 yr, and 7 yr and it was a major adjustment each time. All her hopes and dreams died and it is hard to make new hopes and dreams. Have a pot of Nuwait Cloud Walking Tea with her and do some dreaming. She is over half way now to the seven year mark. There may be a light at the end of the tunnel appearing soon.

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  4. I was told after my 13 year marriage that "it takes one year for every year you were married to recover." That was 21 years ago and I never did recover. I'd been through two painful break-ups. Enough was enough.
    That having been said, everyone's different. Some people bounce from one relationship right into another. Many, many times. Often they fear the prospect of living alone. Other's wait until they've at least thought about what went wrong the last time before making the next leap. Everyone's response to a break-up is individual and complex. In my case the last one was the last straw. I was an only child so perhaps living alone is less bothersome for me than for those from larger families. ( I only wish now that I'd had some kids so that I could impose myself upon them in my old age.) (Which, from a more youthful perspective, has already arrived.)

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  5. I've found when people go on and on about how wonderful their spouse is, it's usually not true. People who are truly happy and confident in their relationship don't feel the need to brag about how great their relationship is.

    A little tough love from you might work, but therapy hasn't helped her and it might turn her against you since some people don't want to hear the truth. Another thing, if she's not asking for advice, I wouldn't offer advice.

    I've never been divorced so I can't say how long I think it takes to get over a divorce and, of course, it would depend on who wanted the divorce. I'd imagine a divorce might be like a death of a loved one. It took me at least three years to stop thinking about my sister everyday after she died. I don't think of her everyday now, but I haven't forgotten her and I'll never get over her dying.

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  6. Many times, those who stay together that long only do so for the kids. They simply tolerate each others quirks till they can't do it any longer.
    I'm not sure what sort of guy her husband was, other than being "raunchy", but that covers most men anyway. lol....but.... Is it possible that he belittled her all that time and that's why she has no more self-esteem? If so, then she should be thrilled to be out of that situation and start rebuilding to get her own "self" back.
    But, on that same note, what were her contributions to the marriage being bad?

    A marriage is suppose to be 50-50. Both the good and the bad comes with that. It's when the eccentricities of ONE that overtakes the others 50% that causes the disruption of the foot hold on the "give and take" within a relationship.

    And some people simply should never have been together in the first place. Apparently there was something she needed to gain from her experience with this man.

    If you have to....Tell her....33 years is a long time to LEARN A LESSON. Time to graduate from the pity-pot and move on!

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  7. Anne....the more I think of this woman...it sounds like she thinks SHE is the failure. After 33 years, I would have to say, she hung in there as long as she could. Make her feel better about her efforts of trying and ask her what she thinks she may have learned from all that time in misery with him.

    Did HE ask for this divorce or was it a mutual decision? How did HE feel about no longer being with her? Did he have another woman waiting in the wings for him? Is it possibly that he pulled every card of being on his worst behavior at home around his wife so that she would think he was horrible and want him out of her life so he could freely go be with another? Men can be sneaky. But if all she remembers most about her relationship with him is his "raunchiness" and his "idiosyncrasies" , then he lost respect for her long ago. And maybe she allowed it to happen. But, had she demanded that respect he would have thought of her as a Bitch. It's "lose-lose" for the woman and "win-win" for the man.

    Geez.....its been 4 years....time to stop beating that dead horse, dig the hole and bury it.

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  8. I have lived alone for 8 years now and like it so much better than being married. I do enjoy being in a dating relationship though. Friendships are important to maintain.

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  9. This is all a lot of very intelligent analysis and spectacular speculation, but unless we know a lot more about each of the people involved, how can it ever be more than that?
    I think I have the solution. Give them both my address and send them both over to MY house. I'll find out what went wrong, trust me! I used to be a cab driver!!!

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  10. (I'm serious. I used to be a cab driver, and in Chicago! Believe me, a couple years of driving a cab can produce a better psychologist than 8 years at Harvard!)

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  11. That's a tough one. I'd probably keep away from her and let her do her thing alone.

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  12. Anna I am going to agree with mrwhatzit on this one :

    " On the other hand it sounds like she's dealing with powerful mental and emotional conflicts. I'm not so sure that tough love would do anything but alienate her from you"
    I was just in the hallways looking at photos on the wall of friends we have known and in all cases the wife has had the affair's which led up to the divorces.
    Other than that I really could not give you any right or wrong answers to help this acquaintance of yours, it is a situation where very thin ice is being walked on I know. Sorry

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  13. Thank you Judy-
    She can't find one that agrees with her- and to me, THAT is suspicious in/of itself.

    Even though you haven't offered, I am going to ask...
    What was/is your advice to the person you are going through it with?

    Nosy person that I am...
    hehehe

    XOXO
    me

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  14. Good morning Mr.!
    She is but an acquaintance of mine- A passing type of person that (ooh, I hesitate to say it), *uses* people to stroke her own ego.- This, at least since her divorce.

    Is there something 'mental' going on? According to my own definition, I would definitely say yes.
    Then again, the fact that she does seek out therapist(s) says something positive.
    ... er, doesn't it?
    i know too that to feel comfortable enough with a therapist takes some doing- on both parts. But the number of 4 seems a bit excessive (albeit to me) also.
    The need (and it's absolute), on her part for a qualified psychiatrist would be in order- If only for the ability to prescribe meds for her. (That, a therapist, or a counselor, cannot do according to law).

    She is negative- and it is hard to absorb everything contradictory that she does say about everything.

    XOXO
    me

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  15. Mary!
    the 7 year part- I had heard that also- But it was concerning finances, and being able to catch up on all of that.
    And yes, I have been married twice- Divorced once when I was too young to know all of the consequences- and twice, knowing full well what a job it would be to do a complete overhaul once more.
    i had 3 children- 3, 2, and newborn when I filed for divorce the first time-
    The 2nd time I also had Casey and 2 stepchildren to think about as well.
    the tea is a good idea- But I don't want her falling asleep either! hehehe

    XOXO
    me

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  16. Oh, and she does have a 33 year old daughter that sticks up for her Dad.
    The lady also "hates" her.
    She is her only child.

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  17. You said, "it takes one year for every year you were married to recover."
    That sounds very very extreme to me.

    And i am not even remotely saying that she should be able to bounce form one ot the other- even though some do, with their new sense of 'freedom' if you will.
    I don't think that is part of her make up inside.

    but to drag herself around, moping for SOOOO long seems like she really doesn't want to be better- for her own self- And to me that is almost a tragedy.

    Oh- about the kids-
    Do not feel badly about not having had them- i have a few I would give to you.
    (True, that). hehehe

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  18. Sharlee;
    Correct you are, about the bragging. Methinks that was myself in my 1st marriage.
    And I was adding to what others said about him
    But behind closed doors, he was as evil as they come.

    I honestly don't care if I speak my truth and move on. If she "turns" against me, it is of little importance to my own happiness(es).
    That said, cold as it is, she is only an acquaintance of mine. And she will, turn, on anyone that disagrees with her.
    She asked for advice. Loudly. Clearly.
    We have all tried to get grips on her demons- but there are plenty that feed its obsession to.
    In that, I see only weakness of mind and character. I don't know why; perhaps I was raised better- to be stronger- To have been told there is nothing emotional that I cannot live through, happily.
    But she needs to find that inside of herself. It can not come from anywhere else.

    I have one sister, deceased since 1976.
    And have lived through losing Reianna as well.
    Even with those losses, and even my children accepting the death of their sister- have found a way to move onward, without. For that I am very proud of them.

    And yes, even with divorce there is a grieving process- Still, 4 years?

    XOXO
    me

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  19. truth be told Peachiebaby, I honestly do not know what went wrong- or what went right through all those years of marriage.
    But I cannot see anyone being so blindsided -to not *know* their spouse after all that time either.

    I do not know him, only 'of' him; save for all the horrible things she has said- (Except for when she proclaims him to be "the only man" she will ever love).

    If I can believe 'this' to be true, I know he smokes a few joints every now and then. (For that she has adjudged him an addict)-
    Whoa there Lady, I beg to differ about that issue too!
    But that's a whole 'nother story. Mine, not hers.

    You said, "some people simply should never have been together in the first place." true enough- and we all know people like that too.
    But you are correct also about she having had something to learn form her time with him.
    Very deep now, but very true also.

    Oh-
    My dad used to say that marriage was not 50/50. And it bothered him every time he heard that.
    He said that marriage is 100/100.
    That if each person wasn't giving their own 100% that the marriage is only a sham.

    I am 53- and still learning my life's lessons- but i also try to come to terms with them as they happen.
    I believe that is the healthiest way to go about it all.

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  20. You made me smile with your 'grab the bull by the horn and get over it' implication.

    Since the divorce, he has moved on, and (from what I have heard) trying to be happily married a 2nd time. (I do not know if she was in the wings so to speak)
    Of course THAT kills her too, -since she loved him first. (Chop-logic at its finest).
    Men can be sneaky- Ain't THAT the truth?!?!
    But I hear the same about women also.
    Weird that.

    Strange of life can be such a viscous circle for her, and for so many.

    I am still tripping over all the women that say the way she feels is healthy because they are in her own shoes.
    Power in numbers?!?! That is some kind of twisted self abuse in my book, and makes me ill that women can play the 'woe is me' role so very well.
    Like I said, it is surely that kind of female that gives divorced women a very bad name.

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  21. Though the numbers are different, the feelings are not. I feel the very same.


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  22. I know you all have only received half of the story...
    My fault there as I only know one side.

    I am giggling at the education you have earned- just the lack of credentials- And I know how that feels too.
    Having bartendered for many years, it is almost a given to know all about the people you serve.
    We will have to meet in the middle.
    Would that be Sheboygan- or Fond du Lac?
    hehehe

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  23. Nancy,
    Wise lady!
    I believe that is exactly what I will do; after I speak my own mind about it all.
    hehehe

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  24. Wow Mr. Lester;
    That is absolutely sad that the women were all the ones that had the affairs!
    You guys from AussieLand must really be 'something else', eh? hehehe

    ...still snickering...

    What's with the "sorry" at the end? You have done nothing wrong.

    Personally I agree with everyone here today; knowing where they are all coming from- and having worn a few of their shoes as well.

    It's just an effed up s(h)ituation all the way around.
    And yet, there she is- still thinking she can do nothing else with the rest of her life.
    And that is damned sad too.

    XOXO
    Me

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  25. Hope y'all have a 'wunnaful' day!

    Time for breakfast now- for me, and for the pup too! (She keeps reminding me that it is after 5).

    My love to all!
    I will post my letter to her - later. (I will have to nap before the payoffs begin ya know)!!!

    GO PACK, GO!!!!

    XOXO
    Me

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  26. Well, ex-Chicago radio personality Johnathan Brandmeier came from Sheboygan, I think, and I think it's also been named at least once as the best place in America to live. So, Sheboyan might be preferable. On the other hand, after over a year of trying to live on Unemployment I no longer have the gas money to get there or to fix a broken tail light which might keep my from expiencing the finer pleasures of a Wisconsin jail, so this may have to wait until our next lives or something. I'm looking forward to it, though. (I did go to a community college for a few months, btw, before dropping out after sucessfully avoiding Vietnam, (which was a hell I personally didn't believe in and still don't,) from which i'd never have emotionally recovered. .Hell, I've still got some leftover PTSD from watching a girl get hit by a bus in the mid-'60's) Some sort of general anxiety disorder for which they had no pills at that time, circa '70 or so - that explains the lack of schollarly success. But i"ve a friend with two post-grad degrees who wrote a best seller and 5 or 6 other successful novels, and even he's been unable to find a job in this economy. From a small town in Vermont, a newspaper ad. for some minor college administrative position - which he's held in the past - pits him up against 300 other equally applicants. But he's 61 (we met in 6th grade) and he's either over or under -qualified for everything. "Why should we hire you? You might write another book and resign!" This is definitely an employers market,( along with being other, less savory, although more colorful, terms..
    Hey, I lost track of my parenthesiseses! I might have missed a last one. Three and 1/2 hours sleep wasn't enough, I guess. (Can no longer afford the mild hypnotics I used to get to assist in achieving a full night's sleep.) um.............oh, what the hell....>>>)))))!!! There, dammit! (I'm not really grouchy, that was a joke.)

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  27. Actualy Anne, that's something that someone told me after the breakup of my second or third serious relationship. I've found that it varies from person to person. Personally, as difficult as the first two break-ups were, the third one put the nail in the relationshipal (?) coffin for me. I recovered from the first two, although it took years and much emotional anguish, but the third breakup literally broke this here camels back. Couple dates and friendships in the past 20 years, but that's it. One more breakup and I'd be drooling on my straight-jacket from a padded cell. Therefore I choose (I think) to remain alone. (At least I think that's been the reason. It's not UN-part of it at any rate.)

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  28. Although a native Chicagoan I must second that "Go Pack, Go". Spent a lot of childhood vacation time up in Wisconsin besides living in a rented farmhouse for a while in the early 70's and could never find anything about the State to dislike. (It's just a bit tough growing up there, though, possibly.... There's rather a darth of things for the youngin's to do, other than race cars, drink beer and smoke pot. Oh, and these days, as everywhere it seems, get ones self hooked on meth, the worst drug ever invented.) (Anyway, I doubt many of the Packers are on meth, so I'll be rooting (sp?) for them. Credit where credit is due.

    Plus, Wisconsin has lots of nice cows.

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  29. Perhaps complaining about her x is her way of healing...reminding herself what his horrible bits were perhaps is her way of coping with whyyyyyyy they divorced. insult to injury is having her own only child disown her.......did he divorce her? do you know why? and why would their daughter pick sides? I dont know if this would help me in my opinion on how to help her or if I'm just nosey!!! lmao
    xoxoxoxoxox

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  30. He is not alone- though I have never had a book published either...
    hehehe
    Way back when I was laid off from my beloved Co-op job, I was both over/underqualified for many jobs thereafter.
    It's a veritable pain in the backside to be treated as such- and to be tempted all the time to alter your résumé with each application. That said, I can honestly say that when you are jobless it behooves one to actually reduce your experience. (They just think you're a quick learner, then promote according to your abilities). hehehe

    And the hell with needing any pill type drugs when a glass of wine will put you into a gracious sleep- no hangover and you don't need an Rx!
    Also, if it's red wine it is very very very good for your digestion, even if you have an ulcer.

    XOXO
    Me

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  31. After licking my wounds from the 2nd divorce, I chose only to live *my* life.
    I did not wish to be one of the poor poor pitiful dames described above.
    i have no patience for them that go on and on about how someone [else] wrecked their life.
    There is no one else to blame but ones self.
    Fixed that, and here I am.
    While I would have loved to remarry at one point, I don't think it would be 'right' or fair, with respect to my now terminal, medical dx's.

    i think you have chosen wisely for yourself, so no looking back, no blame- especially *on* yourself either.

    XOXO
    me

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  32. Oh Pamela!
    hehehe
    Methinks I shall post my note to her- and it will answer maybe some of your questions.

    Must now go in search of...

    XOXO
    me

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  33. I don't know what the hell that display was...
    But I know 2 things that I must question now...
    1. What the hell was THAT game?
    And
    2. Who the hell was playing while wearing our uniforms?
    (Cuz it SURE AS HELL WASN'T my "Pack")!!!
    hehehe

    Ah well. 2011/2012 was a GREAT showing for those of us who love them!
    We are not too terribly disappointed. (Though I would bet that if people really were fair, they would have placed $$$ on BOTH teams this time).

    Onward to next year! :-)

    XOXO
    Me

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  34. No meth while I was growing up.
    But... I dated a racecar driver for a while (Bob Nott from OshKosh)
    I smoked pot. (In high school).
    And yes, everyone and their family drank a bit of beer. A handful of friends, and a 6-pack down by the water is perfect when the moon was out.

    ♪ Memories... ♪

    Sweet!
    hehehe

    XOXO
    Me


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  35. Ah yes, also the familiar, perennial cry of the die-hard Cub fan. The Cub fan's lamentable annual cry is actually "Wait until next year," but the sentiment is close enough to those of Packer fans this dismal Monday morning so as to be nearly identical. Also, the Packers have been World Champions at least once since 1908, which is the only unenviable statistic that Cub fans can hold on to to bolster their spirits after the inevitable result of each season. But it seems to work well for our Cubs, who fill Wrigley Field to near capacity for nearly every home game.
    I guess I'm just trying to say to the disappointed Packer fans in Wisconsin and everywhere this hungover morning-after : Don't feel bad. Things could be a lot worse.
    You could be stuck with the Green Bay Cubs, too.

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  36. OK

    Here is the note I wrote...
    you will see a bunch of info in it that may answer your questions...

    XOXO
    Me
    ___________________________________________


    "Sticks and stones" comes to mind...

    What's the reason you got divorced? And I don't need an answer, only for you to keep that reason in mind.
    Now why on earth would you allow anyone (former partners included) to hold and maintain such an awesome and self-destructive power over you?
    After all, you got divorced to be able to rid yourself of the pain!
    Allowing him, or anyone, to see your intense desperation then would be quite counterproductive. (As is still going back to court etc). That only enriches your attorneys, not yourself.

    There is no reason to cry about it now; nor is there ever a reason to be feeling so underwhelmed after 3 years have passed!
    That is just a grudge, never is it a healthy way of living or loving.

    Breathe in.
    Breathe out.
    Move on.

    Personally I have been married twice- Once to a beater, once to a cheater.
    I am now proudly and happily divorced since 1989. And I still would never EVER try to change a thing.

    Please also let go of the court thing.

    (Again, please try to remember the reason you even filed for divorce in the beginning).
    Whatever the reason, you wanted it to be over and done with.
    And so, it *is* over and done with.


    You claim that you have your Faith...
    The 'courts' are not God; and although they may enforce or reiterate a previous order, they don't even try to be.

    Know that if your ex is truly a contemptible human being then God will take care of any injustice in his next life.
    It is not up to you.
    Let go and Let God.

    It really is even more easy to do than allowing such pain to fester (and grow) in such a negative way.
    it only diminishes YOUR life- your heart and YOUR soul.
    And YOU are worth more than 100 of the ex.

    You claim to not care about your daughter. Really?
    I have 4- had 5, and still cannot truly say that, even though my eldest is a royal pain to my heart and my spirit.
    (She might be upset, and/or misguided, but she is not "evil").

    It is never easy my friend.

    Still...
    ... Given the fact that you are even fighting your "great therapist's" recommendation tell me you *want* to prolong it.
    Methinks you are only making it so much harder on yourself than one lifetime allows..

    As another reply has allowed already, "try to find something positive even in the most negative circumstances."
    Her explicit advice could be the best and healthiest starting point for you to move on.

    These statements are just classic paranoia- "I get angry & think he's laughing at me, & I want to destroy his world; I don't want him to die; I want him to suffer as he has made me suffer..."
    AND: "-a lovely bunch of ladies who seem to like me."
    You are hurting YOU by even thinking that way. (And oh yes, you CAN adulterate your thought processes)!

    The EMDR therapy (which I had to look up), lays claim to helping adjust your way of thinking...
    From here: http://www.emdr-therapy.com/emdr.html

    "EMDR therapy can help clients replace their anxiety and fear with positive images, emotions and thoughts.

    What are the Symptoms that can be helped by EMDR?
    High anxiety and lack of motivation
    Depression
    Memories of a traumatic experience
    Fear of being alone
    Unrealistic feelings of guilt and shame
    Fear of being alone
    Difficulty in trusting others
    Relationship problems
    - - - (end copied material)

    Again do not haste to waste your "great therapist" advice.

    There are also fine words from another reply here; " our own family may tend to be toxic to our healing."
    But if you

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  37. ROTF!!!
    But the Cubbies didn't win the World Series last year.

    And trust me, it's not dismal here- Not after a 15/1 season!

    You made me laugh!

    XOXO
    Me

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  38. she sounds like a nut!! If she means that much to you, I would imagine you just need to drop the issue, and keep your advice to yourself......with that said.........I would personally walk reeeeeal fast out of her life, she sounds explosive and damaging to anyone who might be around her to be her victim.
    xoxoxoxox

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  39. Right, well I don't blame myself for the failed relationships. Generally speaking it takes two to tango. I'm aware of which of us stepped on the other person's feet in both major cases. I don't blame myself, also, because if another person was me and in the same relationships that I was, the same things would go wrong.

    What kept me from actively trying again was my personal ego structure, which is known intimately only to me so you'll have to take my word for it. It couldn't have withstood another ending...at least not the way those other two ended, which involved the other person simply vanishing into the pre-chosen arms of an already picked-out new partner, while I searched the neighborhood for days calling out their names; returning again and again to an empty apartment, and, in between, making calls to multiple hospitals and even the city morgue. Those were two of the most stressful periods of my life, and I have no wish to repeat either one.
    I also don't blame myself because in both cases there were logical reasons for the breakups. In the first, there was simply a basic incompatibility. In the second, while basically compatible, financial and emotional states entered the picture which could not be resolved. But in both cases neither could bring themselves to be honest with me about wishing to find someone else. I could easily have dealt with that. Rather, one had me fearing for her life for 3 long 24 days following a minor argument which sent her out the door for a "walk" - and for which, had something happened to her, I'd have blamed myself for the rest of my life. And the second one also made up stories about being out all night at friends houses, etc. I was in bad shape too, emotionally, from the recent deaths of both parents, a close friend, my favorite cousin and Aunt and a few other people, which overwhelmed me at the age of around 30. So my depression wasn't helping. But it was a full SIX MONTHS before I found out from her sister that she wasn't living with her Grandmother, as she'd been asserting the whole time, but had moved in with an abusive boyfriend. (One who'd been a South American guerrilla from El Salvador prior to meeting her, so it wouldn't be in my best interest to confront him about the abuse. He'd survived shootings, and had killed people and was well trained and quite skilled in the art of hand to hand mortal combat. I'm fairly big and strong, but I'm primarily a piano player.)

    So, that's why, in my case, it wasn't as simple as just fixing myself and moving on. It was a strong desire not to have to go through anything resembling the other break-ups again. Well, that and my highly labor intensive job sapping me of all my energy for 22 years....lifting an average of 20,000 lbs a day.....a job which took 3 days from which to recover while weekends rarely provide more than two. But the first reason was the main one, I suspect. Sorry about this long-ass paragraph! Just thought I'd get my response in here..

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  40. Answer: With a nut-cracker. (Might I recommend something in the hazelnut family?) (Esp. if her name is "Hazel".)

    Ques: How do you deal with a nut?

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  41. If I had lived in a time where they were needed I would have had "grounds" for each of my divorces but if I am honest with myself, I realize that other women who stay married never make it through an entire marriage without dealing with a situation that they have had "grounds" for divorce against their husband but they stay and deal with the situation. I have no tolerance for some things. I should have figured that out after one marriage though and not remarried two more times. During the time my third and I were talking through our divorce he smiled and said we must be slow learners. I was his fourth.

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  42. Awwww.... That's so sweet!
    So you're telling me that if I get married one more time, that at the very least, we should be able to talk through it when it dissolves?
    hehehe

    XOXO
    Me

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  43. By the third time, I have to say, that we had divorce figured out anyway. It was still a very sad event.

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