[My] Life in Wisconsin

Red States, Blue States, Poor States, Rich States…


http://bearmarketnews.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/red-states-blue-states-poor-states-rich-states/

Good Morning-
I suppose I'll be upsetting more than one of you with this.
Too bad, so sad.

As I wind my way through news stories and others, I am reminded that too many do not know the truths that lies beneath the color of states.
I am posting this to get these truths out.

Also, (and
again) please have it known that the word "Republican" has been interchanged with the word "Conservative".
This is a misnomer, Folks...
To borrow a quote from Frederick Douglas, "I look upon it as the climax of all misnomers, the boldest of all frauds, and the grossest of all libels."

Can't believe what you are reading? Links are listed below for your verification purposes.

XOXO
Me

PS
Never judge an article by its title. (So, yes Tess, you must read the whole thing).

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For decades, the Democrats have been viewed as the party of the poor, with the Republicans representing the rich. Recent presidential elections, however, have shown a reverse pattern, with Democrats performing well in the richer blue states in the northeast and coasts, and Republicans dominating in the poor red states in the middle of the country and the south.


Summary of results of the 1996, 2000, 2004, an...

Summary of results of the 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008 presidential elections.


It will come as a surprise to some, but not to others, that there is a fairly strong statistical relationship, but that the direction is the opposite from what you would think if you were listening to rhetoric from Republican conservatives:  








The red states (those that vote Republican) generally receive more subsidies from the federal government than they pay in taxes; in other words they are further to the right in a graph. 

It is the other way around with the blue states (those that vote Democratic).

  • People in red states are less healthy than those in blue states.
  • People in red states earn less than those in blue states.
  • People in red states are less educated than those in blue states.
  • More people in red states live in mobile homes than those in blue states.
  • The red states have higher birth rates among teens than the blue states.
  • More people are killed by guns in the red states than in the blue states.
  • The red states have:
    • Higher rates of poverty, both generally and among the elderly,
    • Higher rates of crime, both general and violent,
    • Have higher rates of infant mortality,
      • and divorce,
    • And have fewer physicians per unit of population than do the blue states.


These statistics do not paint a pretty picture.
And since the red states are commonly referred to as the conservative heartland, one would think that the people who live in these states would vote against conservative candidates merely on the basis of their own rational, self interests. But they don’t. (Please insert a 'duh' here).


There’s an obvious clash here, for the red states are the home of that group that calls itself “moral America.”

  • How can a moral viewpoint countenance poverty, crime, and infant mortality?
  • What kind of morality is it that doesn’t care for the welfare of people?
  • Just what moral maxim guides the lives of these people?


Certainly not the Golden Rule, the Decalogue, or the Second Commandment of Christ.
From what I have been able to gather, moral America needs a new moral code. The one it has is, to use a word the members of this group dislike, relative.

When Red States get their social problems under control, and things such as teen pregnancy down to nationwide lows, then they can try and foist their solutions on the rest of the country.

But as things currently stand, on this issue (as well as others like divorce), the Red States have no ground to stand on. Those crazy New England liberals are running circles around them in this tangible measure of their residents’ “values”.

The top ten bottom feeders at the federal trough in 2005 were: New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia.  
(Sarah Palin’s home state of Alaska ranks number one if measured in terms of federal spending per capita.  Alabama Senator Shelby evidently gets goodies for his state, ranked 7, by indiscriminately holding up votes on administration appointments.

The top ten milk cows were: New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado.

Perhaps in determining how the federal government redistributes income across states one should view its role more expansively than is captured in the budget numbers.  In the western states there are federal water projects that subsidize water for farmers, artificially low grazing fees for ranchers, and leases for hard rock mining and oil drilling on federal lands that have historically charged artificially low prices.  

Perhaps the biggest federal redistribution program of all is massive agricultural subsidies.  The four congressional districts that receive the most in farm subsidies are all represented by “conservative” Republicans, located in Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, and Texas. 
(Michele Bachmann’s family farm apparently received $250,000 in such farm payments between 1995 and 2006.)

The most commonly ignored area of geographical redistribution is the federal government’s permanent policy of “universal service” in postal delivery, phone service and other utilities (electricity; perhaps now broadband…).  Universal service means subsidizing those who choose to live in remote places like Alaska, where the cost of supplying these services is much higher than in the coastal cities.   Perhaps they should move…

If I were cynical, I might suspect that the reason that Glenn Beck, Michele Bachmann, and some Republicans are not enthusiastic about getting the most accurate numbers possible, from the census and otherwise, is that they don’t want people to know who is getting federal handouts and who is paying.
But, more likely, the truth is that they don’t want to know themselves.

In particular, in rich states voting patterns show little correlation with income. The poor of Connecticut, in other words, vote pretty similarly to the rich of Connecticut. This isn’t the case in poor states, where poor people are dramatically more likely than rich people to vote Democratic. The difference is that the rich people in the rich states are much more culturally liberal than the rich people in the poor states. The result is the famous “culture war” waged not between yuppies and the working class, but between the wealthy residents of wealthy states and the wealthy residents of poor states.

Much media confusion about American politics then stems from what’s essentially a coincidence—political journalists are heavily concentrated in places like Connecticut, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, and California that exhibit the voting behaviors of rich states.
It is true in those places that voting behavior features little income polarization and that wealthy people are generally well-disposed toward the Democrats. Political commentary from David Brooks on the right to Tom Frank on the left is often dominated by the assumption that you can extrapolate from political patterns in places like Maryland out to the country as a whole.

It’s an understandable mistake, but also a serious one. And everyone interested in political activism owes it to themselves to understand the truth and everyone interested in the media owes it to the world to correct the record.

*** Sources:

Red States, Blue States and the Distribution of Federal Spending

Why the Wars can’t be Won

FDL Book Salon Welcomes Andrew Gelman: Red State, Blue State, Rich State, Poor State

Teen pregnancy in the Red States

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Inspired by a story By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, as posted on Heidi's site.

photo from Google search

30 comments:

  1. I am sad to say I totally agree with everything in this article...is there really any wonder that the middle class has been decimated? they are and have been voting against their own interests since 1964...could anything other than a lopsided economical situation have occurred when the middle class is being represented by the party that extorts, and uses them?

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  2. Sen. Shelby also doesn't really care what his constituents think either....we belong to several different organizations who encourage members to write, email, call their representatives....he has voted against EVERY issue we have written about....from diabetes research to motorcycle safety issues. I guess I actually believed that they worked for US.

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  3. I agree too Mike, sadly.
    Isn't it awful that people cannot see this for what it is about?
    Can you really blame it back that far when 2 generations have been "educated" since then?
    If you can, then those two generations and their parents are pretty darn stupid.

    XOXO
    Me

    PS
    Extortion.
    That is a very good word for it all.

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  4. Sweet Donna;
    I am sorry that your letters fall on blind eyes and deaf ears.
    The diabetes and the bike safety are both near and dear to me also.

    I wish you lived in Wisconsin. (YOU wish you lived in Wisconsin).
    You would have a senator AND a representative to be very proud of.
    Google (Dr.) Steve Kagen -and then do the same for Russ Feingold.

    Yup. You would LOVE it here.
    But then you would have to wish that the rest of the people 'got it' too.

    XOXO
    Me

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  5. I have yet NOT to get a reply from either!
    They always write- and it always answers my questions and comments- While I might venture to say that parts of their letters are mimeo's they will respond personally to what I have incuded within those same letters

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  6. Reading this made me sad. Those who need help the most are the most resistant and the most likely to resort to violence. Yet they are the same ones feeling morally superior (with nothing to actually back that up.)

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  7. Here is another reply to a blog related to this post...
    http://www.seattlepi.com/opinion/211080_sciglianomoney.html

    " {The} Above is a link to another fine article that documents the hypocrisy and the Federal tax dollar addicted economies of RED state America.

    I believe the best way to kick an addiction is to go "cold turkey." It is time to sever the RED state mouths from the teat of the Blue State taxpayer. Let's help our friends in RED America go straight by cutting off their economic crack supply of Blue State dollars.

    This is a perfect opportunity for RED state America to prove that they are economically viable, self reliant, and contributing members of the American Dream, instead of welfare queens, dependent on the kindness of Blue State strangers."

    mike kohr

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    Now that says a lot too!

    XOXO
    Me

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  8. Sweet Zus;
    You may absolutely link to this- Then send it out in your emails as well.

    XOXO
    Me

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  9. I've been to Wisconsin.....Kenosha area....I actually did like it!

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  10. It all boils down to education.
    Either one has help with that, or helps themselves to it. (That's called "extra credit").
    I wrote that as a comment on another blog.

    If you don't learn young, you will not be able to learn later on.
    There are people that think they don't 'have to' learn anything once that school bell rings.
    And that is SO wrong.

    We had the farm here, and plenty was expected of me, even as a little girl.
    On top of that all, I did get my homework done- I also "participated well in class" (Well, 'cept when my mouth got the better of me). hehehe
    But even then, 99% of the time Dad backed me up.
    And not because his kid could do no wrong, but because I was right.
    That, my dear, HE taught me.
    A lifelong love of learning.

    Without it, the next 2 generations will be doomed as well.

    XOXO
    Me

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  11. interesting read. If ACORN had stayed of of Minnesota, it would be a purple state, mostly because of the wealthier metro residents that are Republicans.They are not Republican because of conservative values they are Republican because of financial out look. There are a lot of misleading suggestions here. One of them is Red states have more killings than Illinois ( Chicago), New York ( NYC) CA (LA)? I doubt that one very much. All in all it was an interesting read.

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  12. SweeTee;
    You are right it is very interesting. Very informative. I didn't write this. I only linked to it.
    If you disagree with anything please research it and post any non-concurring proof here for us.
    However, if you had clicked on the links at the bottom youwould already know that the proof is already there-

    XOXO
    Me

    PS
    Now what are these 'conservative values' you spoke of?

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  13. There are more than a few of us here in the Northwest who would prefer to pull out of the Federal union for the reasons you've described.

    Adding to the fact that we here in Oregon are dissed by our handout-claiming bretheren in Red states, over half of our state belongs to the Federal government, from which land we derive no revenue.

    As the ultraRight and Fundies complete their power-grab in Washington, we here in Oregon and Washington state will have less and less reason to contribute to something that's not in our own interest.

    Let the Balkanization commence....

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  14. I was referring to what the left calls conservative values, when they are being negative about the Republicans. Names like "fundies', red necks etc. The Republican party is very diverse. some good, some bad just like the Democrats. There are some very devout almost fanatical Democrats also. But they are usually ignored when the liberal left is speaking. I hope this explanation of what I meant is satisfactory.

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  15. Very interesting article. Thanks much. Zee

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  16. A lot of people have been beat into submission by the "moral authority". How can anyone claim to be moral when they can't have another human being look them in the eye, without starting and altercation? The key is not to be sad, but to not give up on giving the voice to those that need it.

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  17. Thanks for the post, I do agree but I'm allowing myself a two week vacation from politics you got to understand I live in Arizona.........rolls eyes........enough said......I have a headache. xoxoxoxoxox

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  18. perhaps this is why people should not generalize...

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  19. Oh.
    Now I see how this one got twisted.
    Here is the correct quote, (which is already posted, above):

    "More people are killed by guns in the red states than in the blue states."

    Certainly not misleading in any way. You only need to read it right.

    XOXO
    Me

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  20. Now WHY can't your first sentence be reflective of Texas???
    Interesting take on Federal Gov't land ownership too! I know I have enever considered that. Wonder how many others miss that as well.

    I am thinking too, that less and less of us feel we have something to contribute, just because it is impossible to deal with lies, and spin (see previous reply); especially when 'learned' people can say they don't care to be informed of the TRUTH!
    Go Figure.

    XOXO
    Me

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  21. Oy! Not even close...

    No, that is too vague Tee, (and a very copyrighted answer coming from you). It is droll, and it is not even amusing anymore.

    When I asked, "Now what are these 'conservative values' you spoke of?", I was asking for specific values, not blame in whatever name game. ? Where did that come from anyway?

    Please do not even try to repeat your old worn words about both parties being diverse, good, bad etc etc etc. You have used that for years. Please give particular reference.

    XOXO
    Me

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  22. Thank you! Glad you made it through it too.
    And you are welcome.

    XOXO
    Me

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  23. Very well said.
    I feel for those people who are 'beaten into submission'-
    But then what about when it comes time to cast their vote? Hopefully no one is standing over their shoulder literally. (And yes, I will admit that "figuratively" is another story)...

    You have stated another angle also- That of giving voice to. How can we do that for real? If they aren't getting the 'truth' to begin with?

    So let's all be like snowballs kids- and get with the programs of EDUCATION, and KINDNESS without having to lie, spin, or twist it all.

    Yip. Well said.

    XOXO
    Me

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  24. I only needed to hear those first 7 words.
    Do not ever apologize for being honest, you silly girl!

    2 weeks without, and way too much would lapse- not only time. (But that is only my opinion too). hehehe

    Arizona gives ME a headache, and I am 2000 miles away!

    XOXO
    Me



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  25. You too are correct.
    And the article did do a good job of spelling certain reference points out.
    Happy you got through it too!

    XOXO
    Me

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  26. yep.

    Like someone wiser than me used to say about stereotypes.....

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  27. I didn't know there was anyone wiser than you.

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