http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101129/GPG0101/101129160/15-year-old-gunman-in-Marinette-standoff-shot-himself?nocache=1
Student released all 24 hostages before shooting himself...
MARINETTE — A 15-year-old high school student who had “some problems in school” held 24 hostages with two firearms for about five hours on Monday.
The suspect shot himself when authorities entered the room and was the only one injured in the standoff, Marinette police chief Jeff Skorik said. The suspect was taken to a hospital and has been reunited with his family. His condition was unknown Monday night.
Marinette High School will be closed today as students, their parents and the community regroup after the standoff, Marinette School District Superintendent Tim Baneck said during a press conference Monday night. Grief support will be available to anyone impacted by the standoff, he said. Baneck said he did not have a timeline for reopening the school.
The gunman, who has not been identified by authorities, was described by a family friend as “one of the sweetest kids you ever want to know.”
“I’m at a loss as to why the young man would have felt pushed to this point,” said Keith Schroeder, a former teacher in the Marinette School District who knows the family. “I know there was some things going on at school, but I’m just at a loss.”
Student hostage Zach Campbell said the incident started when the kids in the room were watching a movie and the student gunman opened fire at the projector, then fired another round near the teacher.
The gunman “didn’t seem like he wanted to hurt anybody,” Campbell said. And at one point, the teacher in the room, 10th-grade teacher Valerie Burd, tried talk to him: “He really got upset when she tried to talk to him. He told her to be quiet.”
One student in the room helped break the ice with the gunman by asking about hunting, Campbell said.
“We talked for, I’d say, six hours,” Campbell said. “He was calm, he was laughing with us, having a conversation.”
The gunman talked with those in the room about hunting, fishing, music and movies.
Student Austin Biehl said he was scared when the incident began, but those feelings eventually changed.
“As it progressed, it was just calm. Everyone was just fine,” Biehl said.
Skorik said the investigation into the incident is just beginning and he does not know whether criminal charges would be recommended against the gunman.
The city of Marinette is 50 miles north of Green Bay and has a population of about 11,700. Marinette High School has about 800 students.
Shortly before all the hostages were released, the gunman allowed five to leave the classroom. Authorities said later he allowed the first wave out of the room because they had to use the restroom.
Campbell said he “asked if I could go to the bathroom. I didn’t have to go, just wanted to see if I could leave.” He said he was the second person to leave the room.
Burd likely played a role in securing her release and the release of the students, Schroeder said.
“She’s very dedicated, educated, loves children,” he said. “If I had been that classroom, I don’t know what I’d have been able to do.”
News of the hostages’ release came as a text message just as a prayer group in Peshtigo began praying for that very thing, said Tim Harwell, youth pastor at the church.
“As a matter of fact, we were praying at that very moment for the release of all the kids, said ‘amen,’ and then someone read the text message,” Harwell said. “We all collapsed.”
Schroeder said he wouldn’t get specific about the problems the gunman had been having at school but said, “I know there was some problems at school. … Somehow, we as a society need to rein in the types of things that are going on with our children…
“He’s a victim, too,” Schroeder said. “People may not realize that. Something had to push him to do this. With the support system and family life that he has, I’m just at a loss. I couldn’t say enough good things about the family, and they are so involved.”
Schroeder said he didn’t know where the guns the boy used had come from.
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BY DOUG SCHNEIDER, • PAUL SRUBAS • November 29, 2010
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Save for a few news conferences which haven't added much to the above story, I really don't know anything more than what has been on your own news.
The young man (suspect/victim) is fighting for his life at St. V's here in Green Bay.
I can only imagine how the parents of all the children might feel...
Marinette is about an hour north from here.
XOXO
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A comment posted on another news website from someone in Marinette alluding to the 15 y/o being the victim of bullying at school. If true, when are schools going to take it seriously and work with the parents and kids to end it?
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ReplyDeleteThe Police chief and the principle both denied bullying.
Time will answer that for sure.
Yes, it will. Too often they ignore it or take the attitude "kids will be kids". It's not something new....just more extreme reactions now.
ReplyDelete"where the guns come from " where does this person live in a paper bag--when it is easier to get a gun than a Doctors appt. one has to wonder that this isn't happening more
ReplyDeleteBut reaction to what is the question...
ReplyDeleteWith the gunman in serious condition, we may never know what really happened...
Am waiting to hear from either the teacher that was hostage, or the other kids in there.
Some have been interviewed- and while they said at first they were scared they quickly realized he didn't want to hurt any of them, so they were able to relax as time went by.
No one can blame the gun.
ReplyDeleteThat kind of thinking really upsets me.
But yes, guns are a dime a dozen- Especially in the Northwoods of Wisconsin where I swear everybody owns at least two guns.
You are right about the availability of the guns too.
Sadly people will remain more upset about this than the availability of a doctors appointment. ('Til *they* need one that is).
XOXO
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Our news has no report on how the child is doing in the hospital. I'm praying he makes it, through all the reports Ive listened to it seems more like it was a cry for help.
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ReplyDelete"Officials are saying his injuries are potentially life threatening"
No word on where he shot himself. Am guessing it is a head wound.
ReplyDeleteThey say he is an excellent student.
I have also heard nothing on the parents situation.
Makes me wonder.
ReplyDeleteMust go offline now and get busy.
Please keep your thoughts positive for these parents...
XOXO
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Carry something that looks like a gun and you are more likely to be dead than alive here.
ReplyDeleteSomeone had a cigarette lighter that looked like a pistol. Dead.
A man was carrying a table leg home in a sack, someone phoned the police it was a gun. Dead
No messing around here. Anyone with a gun is an immediate target.
There is only one use for a gun and that is to fire it.
So be it.
I saw that on the news yesterday and was glad that no one else got hurt. I hope that young man is going to be alright and his family too
ReplyDeleteSad news when weapons are involved Anna
ReplyDeleteCNN reported the boy died this morning.
ReplyDeletesad that so many kids these days feel that this is their only option.
ReplyDeletePoor kid.
This is just so awful. If his grades were good but he was having "problems at school," what's left but bullying or abuse by a teacher?
ReplyDeleteI doubt he wanted to die. This whole story reads much more like a kid who desperately wanted help and support than one who wanted to kill or die.
I think reactions to bullying are becoming more extreme because bullying is getting worse and, so often, nothing is done. Schools deny that it's happening so they don't have to get involved, and kids are driven to the edge and beyond. As a society, we talk a good story about protecting our kids, but let those kids be poor, or "different," or troubled, or in any way not adorable, or not white, or not what the local norm is (not Mormon in rural Utah, for instance), or even TOO privileged, or--hell, breathing--and we don't walk the walk very well. If you include healthcare, nutrition, and education as parts of the "doing right by kids" picture, we suck beyond belief.
I find this story really puzzling: http://www.channel3000.com/news/25967252/detail.html
ReplyDeleteHow is that a former teacher knew something was wrong, and his family didn't?
ReplyDeleteI went to your link.
It says nothing about a former teacher?
From what I have heard, his grades were A's.
ReplyDeleteEveryone, from the school on down to his peers and his parents, claim that bullying was not an issue here.
I have a tendency to believe them, and especially when NO ONE comes forth with an opposing opinion.
I also don't know why everyone seems to want to put a bully tag on someone else.
Sadly, this leaves one other thing you have written.
He was breathing.
As I had guessed in one of my first comments, I do not think we will ever know what really happened.
Perhaps all the forensics teams etc are going over his computer, which may/may not give any insight. I am guessing that it won't, if what everyone is saying is true.
I also hate the title "avid outdoorsman", as it implies that to be so would somehow encourage taking hostages.
Further down in the story, the teacher is credited with keeping "a very cool head"...
It has been stated, again and again, by the 23 kids in there with him that they were NOT afraid, save for initially, of the circumstances. The teacher will be issuing her own statement. (Hopefully this will concur with what the other 23 people have said). Again, I am guessing it will.
Abuse by a teacher? That's a new one; admittedly intriguing, but also would be highly debatable.
This whole ordeal is still oddly perplexing.
The parents knew their child, and his schedules. There seems to be no deviations from that by him; or any cover~up by his parents either.
His teachers, and the principle have all stated that he was a good kid. Well liked.
The students that knew him have all also agreed with this line of thought.
Interestingly enough, most students at Marinette High probably DID know him as it is a small town with a small number of students compared to many.
As far as I am concerned, this is one of those things we may never ever know all about, as his secrets will have died with him.
ReplyDeleteWow. Who is responsible for all these deaths, Bill?
How strange that so many seem to be so quick to kill first, and ask questions later...
ReplyDeleteHas anyone heard what was on the projector he shot?
Just curious... Something there could have set this off?
The former teacher I meant was Schroeder, mentioned in the article you linked to and quoted. I suspect it was his assertion that the kid was having trouble in school that led people to bullying. That's why I asked, if he was having school trouble and it wasn't grades, what other options were left besides bullying and abuse? There must be other things, but I'm at a loss, too.
ReplyDeleteWhatever was on the projector, he took two guns to school that day. This is all just mystifying, as you said.
Schroeder- hehehe
ReplyDelete(Please keep in mind that I am a dunce sometimes).
Sheesh, I read and reread that link, and its comments...
Lots of stuff that was immediately said was easily denied by a few days time.
I am thinking that if they haven't found the problem at school by now, they will be hard pressed to verify that statement later.
As far as the 'taking guns to school' that day.
Wisconsin's gun deer hunt had just ended on Sunday. (Michigan's too).
It is possible that these guns were part/parcel of the hunt. If someone drops a deer but it doesn't die, a single shot to the head with a small caliber handgun will put the deer out of its misery the fastest if the hunter does not want to mount his drop.
Also, most hunters do not hunt alone, so yeah, those guns could have been left in the car for that reason.
It is entirely possible that he didn't make a concerted effort to bring the guns to school that day.
I am still stumped- and hurt by this tragic loss of life.
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The police have an Armed Response Unit.
ReplyDeleteAll our Police are unarmed and if there is a problem the Unit takes over.
Warnings are given then shots are fired.
Seems fair to me, but of course there are the possibilities mentioned.